What you need to do is attack its legitimacy, because what it's trying to do is use science to legitimize something that has been created—I almost beg to say is almost a lie, like a fabricated lie—that policing is something that is a natural phenomenon....
When people were saying around, defunding the police, and that being couched within the overall vision of abolition, but just thinking about how so many resources are being put into death dealing institutions when, just like looking at the pandemic alone, alone, so many people...
And the complexities then therefore with this work is to be able to draw those parallels and simplify them for people to understand, to say the fact that you can't go to Tokai, for example, without somebody sitting in some control room, and watching your...
